and it's nice when you have a guy going, okay, i'm not scared of science. his first answer was so baffling -- >> i mean, it's still a fine line these guys have got to walk, though. he's got to pretend -- or not pretend, wron what he beliei do believes, but he's still got to pander to the crackpots a little tiny bit. >> i absolutely love nicole wallace's comment to me a couple of months ago when we were talking about how the republicans -- off camera -- were going to get killed this year. you know, i am so sick and tired of the debate on whether we should be the conservative party or the moderate party. i just don't want to be the stupid party. >> the crazy party. >> the crackhead party. >> the crackhead party. and maybe we're getting there. but there is a fine line. mark halperin, when you're afraid to answer how old scientists think the earth is, perhaps you're running for a crowd that's not going to elect the next president of the united states. >> look, all these republicans we're talking about, rubio, bobby jindal, all the others, paul ryan, they all ha